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Using Foils with Kiln-Glass

Postby Chris_Petrauskas » Wed Oct 17, 2012 11:40 am

Watch the Lesson at:
https://videos.bullseyeglass.com/videos/using-foils-with-kiln-glass/

Please discuss and comment in this thread.

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Re: Using Foils with Kiln-Glass

Postby helenc » Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:28 am

So to clarify, uncapped, the foil/leaf will adhere permanently to the glass (except iridized/dichroic)?

Is there any substrate that will not be contaminated by silver fuming? And it seems that firing the contaminated shelf several times will burn it off?

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Re: Using Foils with Kiln-Glass

Postby helenc » Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:30 am

Oh! And at what temperature does the metal foil adhere to the surface of glass (tack fuse vs. full fuse), especially silver before it changes to that pale yellow color?
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Re: Using Foils with Kiln-Glass

Postby marykaynitchie » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:41 am

Hi Helen,

We are not ignoring your questions--I'd like advice from Bonnie, a Bullseye instructor/technician, and she is tied up on a video shoot this week, but she is looking forward to addressing your questions soon.

Everyone--
Anyone else have some advice in the meantime?

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Re: Using Foils with Kiln-Glass

Postby Bridget » Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:51 am

Good morning.

I'm working on a project where I have silver foil on top, crossing over black and red opalescent pieces. The silver foil is uncapped. This has been my process so far.

1). Created black and red blank, full fused.
2). Placed silver foil pieces on top of full fused glass crossing over red and black. Full fused.
a) some of the foil pieces burned out and you can hardly tell that they are there.

3) I would now like to place additional pieces of foil on top of the ones that have already been fired. My question is this . . . can I fire foil on foil or do I need to put a layer of fine glass frit between the foils? And at this point would it be best to only tack fuse?

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Re: Using Foils with Kiln-Glass

Postby charlie » Mon Nov 12, 2012 12:50 pm

Bridget wrote:Good morning.

I'm working on a project where I have silver foil on top, crossing over black and red opalescent pieces. The silver foil is uncapped. This has been my process so far.

1). Created black and red blank, full fused.
2). Placed silver foil pieces on top of full fused glass crossing over red and black. Full fused.
a) some of the foil pieces burned out and you can hardly tell that they are there.

3) I would now like to place additional pieces of foil on top of the ones that have already been fired. My question is this . . . can I fire foil on foil or do I need to put a layer of fine glass frit between the foils? And at this point would it be best to only tack fuse?

Thanks!

Bridget


if you have foil stuck to the surface of glass, more foil usually won't stick to it until you get way over the metal melting temperature, which will be much higher than glass melting temps.

you'd have better luck having some glass between them.
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Re: Using Foils with Kiln-Glass

Postby elianeb » Tue Oct 27, 2015 10:44 am

Hello,

I have a question regarding the video " other considerations", and especially the picture @ 0.46 min. where one can see at the botton right a coaster made of clear glass with an inlay of deep red and round dots ( frit?) on top.
I really like this effect and would like to experiment and achive similar effects.

How was the deep red colour achieved?

With copper foil ?

Was reactive ice glass used in the process?

Looking forward to your response.

Eliane
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Re: Using Foils with Kiln-Glass

Postby marykaynitchie » Wed Oct 28, 2015 3:29 pm

Is this the example you mentioned? (scroll to the lower right corner)
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Is this the example you mentioned?
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Re: Using Foils with Kiln-Glass

Postby elianeb » Thu Oct 29, 2015 4:07 am

Yes Mary, this is the coaster I meant.

Thanks

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Re: Using Foils with Kiln-Glass

Postby marykaynitchie » Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:54 am

I think I know what was used in the coaster. I will list these from the bottom layer (next to the shelf) to the top layer:

Bullseye Reactive Ice (001009-0030) OR another color of clear Bullseye (001101-0030) on the bottom layer.
http://shop.bullseyeglass.com/catalogse ... 0&x=10&y=7
http://shop.bullseyeglass.com/catalogse ... 30&x=6&y=6

Bullseye Reactive Ice (001009-0030) on the top layer.
http://shop.bullseyeglass.com/catalogse ... 0&x=10&y=7

Copper foil over that.
http://shop.bullseyeglass.com/sepp-copp ... oklet.html

Clear frit over the copper foil (possibly in the Extra Coarse mesh size. (001101-0005)
http://shop.bullseyeglass.com/catalogse ... 05&x=6&y=7

If you try this, please post a photo!

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